Princeton

Production years:

  • 1964 -1967 “blackface” circuit AA964
  • 1968 -1970 “silverface” circuit AA964
  • 1971 -1978 “silverface” circuit AB1270

Tube layout

AA964 Tube layout (Seen from behind, V1 is to the right side)

  • V1 12ax7 = Preamp tube
  • V2 12ax7 = Vibrato / Phase inverter
  • V3 6V6 = Power tube #1
  • V4 6V6 = Power tube #2
  • V5 GZ34 = Rectifier tube

Summary

The Princeton Amp is often misinterpreted as a Princeton Reverb without reverb. Just by looking at the front panel and the knob functions it might seem so. A closer study of the circuit design will reveal that the Princeton Reverb has an extra gain stage (one half of the 12AX7 V3 tube) just after the dry and the wet reverb signals are mixed. This means that there is one extra tube stage that can cause preamp gain and contribute to the tone with sustaining harmonics, compression and sag. Hence, the Princeton-Amp is cleaner than the Princeton-Reverb when the volume is pushed beyond 3-4. The volume knob is less sensitive on the Princeton Amp, and you can play them on volume 7-8 still sounding clean.

So, why would you want to enhance or mod a Princeton? Due to its small size many players want to increase the power, volume and clean headroom. A few also wants to change the distortion characteristics. We’ve seen no other amp that has been analyzed so thoroughly in terms of mods and tricks to make it bigger. Does this mean you should implement the mods too? Not necessarily. Just because many people does so, it doesn’t mean it’s right for you.

In general we don’t recommend the mods that increase the power and clean headroom unless you are playing your Princeton at gigs on medium-large stages and you need the sparkling clean fender sound to cut through. If you’re micing the amp the audience should have no problem hearing a stock Princeton (we know: it’s really hard to trust the sound engineers). Your job is to make sure your band and yourself can hear the amp. If you are using your Princeton at home or in recording situations we think you’ll appreciate the early breakup of the original 6V6 power tube circuitry, the ineffective phase inverter, a smaller output transformer and a low-medium inefficient 10″ speaker. You are so luck to have a tube amp that you have to turn up where it breaks up nicely and shines trough. It’s what everybody really wants. So why increase the threashold of tube heaven?

You’ll need schematics to implement some of these mods. http://www.ampwares.com/fender.asp. We usually start with explaining a mod from a functional perspective where we relate to components in the logical schematics diagram. Finally we point out location of components in the physical layout diagram.


Speaker

See the Princeton Reverb page for an introduction to speakers with this amp. Also see page How to select speakers for general speaker recommendations.

Baffle and 12″ speaker upgrade

By replacing the original 10″ baffle you can upgrade to a 12″ baffle and a 12″ speaker which pushes more air. It will give you a bigger sound with more low end and particularly more low mids. A 12″ can normally handle more power  than a 10″ at both lower and higher frequencies. The 12″ speaker is slightly harder to drive  and if you’re really into a soft touch and finger tips you’ll probably appreciate the dynamics of a 10″ more than with a 12″. An interesting effect with 12″ speakers is the “3D” sound effect. While 10″ speakers can be front directional (depending on cabinet also) there is a better spread with 12″ speakers which contributes to a better sound on stage. People will hear you better wherever they are positioned relatively to the amp. A 15″ speaker has even more spread and it will cut through skin and bone. We have never heard anyone who upgraded to a 12″ go back to 10″. Maybe that will tell you something. If you have a large speaker chassis be careful so that the speaker will fit under the outpout tranformer. If you cut the baffle board your self out of a particle board plate (not difficult) you might want to align the speaker vertically low and slightly horisontally right (seen from the back). You could also move the OT if you are a capable tech which can drill and reorganize components in the amp chassis.

  • Warehouse G12C. A full tone speaker with lots of touch sensitivity and slightly warmer than Jensen C12n.
  • Jensen C12N. It is said: “If an alien came to earth and wanted to hear an American guitar sound, I’d play him my Twin with a set of Jensen C12N’”. This speaker is used in newer Deluxe Reverb reissues (the 100W model) and it has lots of punch and sparkling highs. Quite bright.
  • Jensen P12Q. Beautiful Alnico compression. True vintage Fender sound.
  • Weber Michigan 12″. Huge power.
  • Weber California 12″. Huge power. Be careful that it will fit under your OT.
  • Weber 12A125. Very much like Jensen P12Q, we like it even better.
  • Weber 12A150. Darker than the 12A125. Lot’s of punch.

12AY7 or 12AT7 as preamp tube – Less preamp gain.

If you want a cleaner and spankier tone you can replace the V1/V2 12AX7 preamp tube with 12AT7 or 12AY7. These tubes have lower voltage gain and different frequency responses, particurlarly when distorting. 12AX7 tube has a voltage gain factor = 100, while 12AT7 = 60 and 12AY7 = 45. One could describe these tubes to have less harsh and buzzy distortion. This mod does not alter the tone significantly when amp is played clean’ish. You’ll have to increase the volume setting to achieve a similar volume as before. If you hit sweet spot at volume=4 with 12AX7  you may go as high as 6-7 before reaching it with 12AT7 or 12AY7.

Diode rectifier – More clean headroom.

This mod is for those who wants more power, clean headroom and attack. It is very practical to bring with you those small Sovtek plastic adapters that easily can replace the rectifier tube (either the 5U4 or GZ34). You’ll increase the power of the amp with a few watts. The diode rectifier will feed your amp’s filter caps with a higher and ”faster” DC voltage compared to a tube rectifier. The fact that it delivers a slightly higher DC voltage to your power tubes (via the filter caps) means an increase of the tube voltage gain factor. When you hit a hard chord the preamp and power tubes will require energy and current is flowing from the DC filter caps which are charged up by the rectifier. If the recitifer can deliver more energy more quickly, you’ll have more power and attack.

Check also out Ted Weber’s “Copper Cap Rectifiers” that emulates the sag of a tube rectifier.

Increase/remove/switchable NFB resistor

This is an interesting mod, particularly in the Princeton. It is applicable in all Fender amps with a negative feedback (NBF) loop. The purpose of the NBF loop is to clean up and cancel out high frequencies and upper harmonics (distortion). It makes the volume pot more sensitive and aggressive and you’ll find the amp’s sweet spot at a lower volume knob setting. If you remove the feedback loop entirely you’ll achieve maximum effect of this mod. You do not get more or less clean headroom in the amp. You get a rougher and rawer tone with more of the higher frequencies, aka hizz. We like this mod in a Princeton because it is not as sharp and trebly as bigger Fender amps (no bright switch). In other words, having a switchable mod that enables more treble and distortion could be useful and interesting. You may choose to implement the mod in several ways:

  1. Simply disconnect the feedback loop (a wire). The 2,7 KOhm resistor can easily be removed with a soldering iron. See green circled resistor in figure below.
  2. Increase the resistance to a bigger value to i.e. 4,7 KOhm or bigger. This reduces the effect of the neg. feedback loop ang you get a rawer tone.
  3. One of the two alternatives above in combination with making the NBF switchable. You can remove existing wires to and from the ground switch if you plan not to use it. Then wire the ground switch in series with the 2,7KOhm NBF reistor.

Please note that the circuit below shows a Princeton-Reverb, but the change in a Princeton will be likewise.

Logical schematics

Layout

Bigger output transformer (Deluxe Reverb) – More power.

Simply replace the output transformer (OT) with a Deluxe Reverb OT. This reduces the output transformer sag and limitation that the Princeton is known for. With a bigger transformer you will experience more attack and a bigger sound due to more efficient power transformation from your tubes. You should consider this mod if you are increasing the headroom in your amp (Paul C mod, Stokes mod, Diode rectifier, etc ). In this case the original OT is not able to deliver this power to the speaker without absorbing some energy and introducing sag and too much compression.

Output transformer with multiple impedances (built-in attenuator)

This mod requires the knowledge of how to replace a transformer in your amp. This mod will give you different speaker outputs impedances converting the the external speaker jack to an independent output.

The original OT is sized for an 8 Ohm speaker impedance. It will make sure the power tubes “see” the correct impedance and can operate at optimal conditions in terms of clean headroom potential and frequency response. If you had an OT designed for a 2 ohm speaker load the tubes would operate at their best with a 2 ohm speaker load. If you use a 8 ohm speaker with a 2 ohm OT, the tubes are pushed harder since they see a bigger load than expected. Both volume and clean headroom is reduced significantly, and the tone is not significantly changed. This effect is similar to an attenuator, which is very nice when you want to achieve the amp’s sweet spot at lower volumes.

  • Go to Mercury Magnetics web site. Order the Deluxe Reverb multi-tap OT with 2, 4 and 8 ohm taps. Yes, we mean the Deluxe Reverb OT.
  • Remove the original OT carefully in your Princeton and store it away. Install the Mercury Magnetics OT.
  • Wire the OT’s primary circuit just as before. Clip the cables nicely and twist them as Leo Fender’s gently old ladies did.
  • The OT’s secondary circuit will be wired differently. Wire the 8 ohm tap to the main speaker jack. Then wire the 2 (or 4 ohm) tap to the ext speaker jack. You must first remove all existing wires to the external speaker jack so that it is totally separated from the main speaker jack.
  • Now you have two speaker outputs; 8 and 2 ohms (or 4 ohm). You may use them independently and the ext speaker jack does not require the main speaker jack plugged to work.

We like this mod a lot. Especially since we’re using the original jack outputs. Choosing the 2 ohm output with a 8 ohm speaker will attenuate the volume a lot. Having an amp with several different output impedances is practical for those who are using extension cabinets.

Middle pot

The Princeton did unfortunatley come without a middle pot. Many players are happy with the default 6.8K mid resistor in the EQ circuitry, but some want what the bigger amps have; a potmeter mounted in series with the 6.8 Kohm resistor (or 4KOhm for a even more scooped tone). In this way you can increase the mids to make your amp growl in a British Vox’ish tone (especially together with a Celestion speaker). We find it practically to install the middle pot at the back of the amp where the additional power supply is located. We never use this anyway. Please note that the circuit below shows a Princeton-Reverb, but the change in a Princeton will be likewise.

Logical schematics

Layout

The Stokes mod – increases voltage to the phase inverter

This mod is so thoroughly discussed elsewhere in different forums that we will only make a few comments on it. It will give your amp more headroom meaning you can play cleaner at a louder volume. Otherwise the tone of the amp stays much the same. You should also replace the output transformer with a larger one to cope. Here is one reference http://www.blueguitar.org/new/articles/blue_gtr/amps/john_paul_rick_PRmods.pdf.

The Paul C mod – convert PI to fixed bias

This mod will give you smoother distorition characteristiscs and a fuller sound. If you think your amp and speaker are sharp and edgy this mod could be worth a try. It will not increase the power and clean headroom. The mod requires some rewiring with a soldering iron and a new resistor. For description and schematics take a look here http://www.blueguitar.org/new/articles/blue_gtr/amps/john_paul_rick_PRmods.pdf.

Bass and tone characteristics.

The following mods are for those who want to change the tone in terms of more or less bass. To tighten up bass means removing the farty, low bass frequencies which are not handled well in a low power amp like the Princeton. These mods should be considered together with the particular speaker and effect pedals you are using to suit your music style. We do not say these mods should be implemented by everyone, we just inform you that there are techniques to shape your tone to suit your musical expression.

  • Reduce input-stage cathode from 25 to 4.7 to “tighten up” bass.
  • Increase 1st filter cap to 40uF (increase low end).
  • Reduce coupling cap that feeds PI, also a means to “tighten up” the bass.

Questions and comments are welcome at the bottom of this page.

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23 Responses to “Princeton”

  1. carsten says:

    Hi Jens!

    Thanks for the great site you set up here!

    You know what? The amp shown in the pic above is actually my very own ´66 “Princeton” ;-)

    It´s a very sweet sounding amp, but your mod-suggestion regarding the NFL sparked my interest.
    It would be nice to be able to get a bit more aggressive sound from the amp – and to have it available by the flick of a switch sounds like a great idea!

    I´d be happy to hear some comments about the sound of the amp without the NFL from anyone who´s tried this mod.

    Thanks a lot

    Carsten

    • Carsten, what an amazing fact that we’ve used your amp for this site. I will add you to our member list immediately and hope that we still may use your Pinceton-Amp :-) .

      Yes, the Princeton Amp is indeed very clean. It is even cleaner than the twin reverb, without any further comparisons of a giant troll and a little lamb. You may first try to solder off and tape-isolate the NFB wire and see if you like the tone. You will get more presence and sparkle out of your amp and at louder volumes you’ll probably push the amp beyond it’s sweet spot.

      I’ve tried this mod in all blackface amps, and I do not always like the effect of the mod. It can really be too sharp and ice pick trebly. It depends on your guitar, amp tone stack and speaker. The Deluxe Reverb’s vibrato channel does not handle this mod elegantly, imho, since the amp has no bright switch. Only if I remove the bright cap and use a fat, bold speaker, this mod makes any sense. This mod works much nicer in the Princeton Reverb and Princeton-Amp since they tend to smooth and handle the higher treble very well.

      Best regards.

  2. carsten says:

    Hi Jens!

    Thanks a lot for your feedback!

    Feel welcome to use my princeton-pic for as long as you like – and thanks for adding me to the member-list!

    Not sure if I feel confident enough to poke around inside my amp, but the mod seems easy enough so that my tech can do it in no time.
    I´ll see if I can get him to do it within the next week or two and will report back here!

    best

    Carsten

  3. carsten says:

    hi!

    wow, it´s been a while, but only today i dropped off my princeton at my tech´s to have him perform the nfb-mod.
    looking forward to hear it (probably within the next week) and will let you know how it sounds!

    best

    Carsten

    • Jens Mosbergvik says:

      I hope you will be happy. The princeton reverb/non reverb is one of the few amps where I personally like the effect of this mod and play with it on constantly. The other bigger amps become too harsh in my opinion.

  4. carsten says:

    hi!

    well, i got the princeton back from my tech yesterday and i must say i´m a little underwhelmed…
    i do like the effect of the mod, but it only makes a very, very slight difference on my particular amp.

    my tech mentioned that the feedback-resistor didn´t have the stock value, though, so perhaps the amp´s negative feedback had already been altered some time in the past ;)

    having said that – i like the “new” sound! it´s a tad more lively and aggressive, but in a good way.
    i only paid 25,- Euro for the mod, so i think it´s something anyone with a spare ground-switch could try ;-)

    best

    carsten

  5. Seger says:

    Hi,

    thanks for the info, I will defenitely try some of these mods. There’s one very effective mod that I never see on the web, which is the tone-stack bypass. When you lift the resistor between the bass-pot to ground (if Iremember correctly), the tone-stack no loger works but the increase in gain will knock your socks off, almost sounds like a marshall. You could put a pot between resistor and ground to fade between functioning tone stack / clean amp and raging tweed monster.
    This is a common mod on silverface champs but works fine on a princeton

    have fun,
    Seger

  6. carsten says:

    hi seger!

    yes, that´s a great idea!

    i had that mod (disabling the tone-stack via switch) done to my cheap “champion 600″ – and the difference is nothing short of amazing!

    now, here´s another good use for the obsolete ground-switch ;-)

    best

    carsten

  7. 68goldtop says:

    hi guys!

    It´s been a while – but in the meantime, I had my Princeton worked over once more.
    I skipped the NFB-mod as it didn´t do anything serious to alter the sound of my amp – just a slight increase in the upper frequencies, a wee little bit more lively if you will.
    Instead I had my tech make the tone-stack switcheable via the ground-switch – and that makes some noticeable difference!
    A lot louder, a lot fuller, with a lot more GAIN on tap. In fact, it´s SO loud that I havn´t even got it to full break-up yet.
    It´s a $20 mod and it´s like getting a 2nd amp ;-)

    I´ll try and get some recordings done to let you all hear the difference.

    best – 68.

  8. Ancient Rocker says:

    Hi All!
    Brand spankin’ new to this forum! I have a really nice ’68 Princeton in a 1X12 JD Newell cab. I’d like to open the amp up a bit…get a little more harmonic content going on…and a little more gain as well. In reading the mods for the Deluxe Reverb, it’s been suggested that the Tremolo circuit be disconnected to get more gain out of that channel of the amp. Would disconnecting the Tremolo circuit on the AA964 circuit have a similar effect? I NEVER use Tremolo anyway! Thanks!

    • Hi. Welcome!

      You cannot disconnect the tremolo in the princeton amps as described for the ab763-similar circuits. You may harm your amp badly if doing so. In fact, I have never disconnected the tremolo circuit on the princeton amps and have not heard of anyone else either. I guess it’s because the tone is rich enough as it is.

      BR

      Jens

      • Ancient Rocker says:

        Thanks Jens! Say…If I wanted to simply have a bit more “open” feel with additional high end harmonic content…what value of resistor might you recommend I go to in the NFB circuit. I’d prefer to not disconnect it completely, but what would give me a little more of what I desire over the 2700 stock resistor? Thanks!

        —Jim

        • Hi. You might try a 4.7 KOhm resistor, or two such in series; a total of 9.4 KOhm.

          Jens

          • Ancient Rocker says:

            Well…
            I spent a few hours “tweaking” yesterday and here’s what I liked best!
            I landed on a 10k resistor in the NFB circuit. It really gave me the more open feeling I was looking for. I also swapped the 6.8k mid resistor coming off the bass pot for a 10k resistor. This slight change gives me a bit more mids even with the bass and treble up at 5 or beyond. LOVE IT! Now…I may not love it as much if I were in the original cab with a single 10″ speaker, but I’ve grown very fond of the Eminence Cannabis Rex in my 1X12. It is a slightly warmer speaker because of the hemp cone, but also has a wonderful shimmer to the top end. Overdrive is FANTASTIC through this speaker and the tweaks I’ve made are a match made in heaven IMO. Thanks!

            —Jim

  9. sohara says:

    Hi Jens:

    I have found the site for interesting and the Buyers Guide helpful when I purchased a mint condition 65 Princeton. The amp works and sounds good but I only use it at home to practice and normally don’t set the volume above 5. is there a way with different tubes to get more breakup at volumes around 4 – 5?

    Thanks,

    Scott

  10. sohara says:

    Jens:

    Thanks for the quick reply. I’m new to the tube amp game, I know three is only 1 GZ34 tube, if I replace with the 5u4GB does it need to me “matched” in any way OT have the bias adjusted?

    Thanks,

    Scott

    • 68goldtop says:

      Hi sohara!

      If you have the “panin”/non-reverb Princeton with the treble/bass set-up, there´s no way to get any break-up at low levels – this amp just doesn´t have any “gain” to speak of.

      However, a competent tech can easily install a switch in place of the ground-switch to turn your tone-controls on and off. It´s an easily reversable mod and it will give you the stock clean-tone in one position and a seriously hot, raunchy blues-tone in the other position.

      See, the tone-control network “robs gain” from the signal-path. As there are no gain-stages in this amp to make up for the loss of gain, the amp is rather clean overall – and not very loud.
      The reverb´d Princeton does have another gain-stage in the reverb-recovery and is much hotter and louder overall.
      Getting rid of the tone-controls is a very effective mod if you´re looking to make this amp louder w/more overdrive.
      You´ll loose the tone-controls in the “hot-mode” – but, there´s no free lunch ;-)

      cheers – 68.

      p.s.:

      a happy new year to everyone around here!

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