How Fender amps work
Tube vs transistor amps
If you’re struggling with discovering a sweet tone, it’s time you get yourself a proper Fender tube amp. It doesn’t have to be a vintage amp, but is has to be a tube amp. Why? Because they offer a sweetness and warmness that transistor amps cannot compete with. They have this sweet spot where you are just in between clean and distorted lands. You may have heard that transistors are distorting differently and harder than tubes caused by a distinct and sudden signal clipping when max effect level is reached in the transistors. Still, it’s not just the tubes that provide the desired distortion in tube amps. There are also the other critical components that tube amps require, which transistor amps don’t have.
While transitors can operate with a power supply holding a voltage just slightly above the output signal level, power tubes may need 4-500 volts direct current (DC) to operate. This requires big iron transformers, a rectifier (tube or diode) and big capacitors. When striking a chord on your guitar, the whole value chain of electrical components must quickly transport a large amount of energy (current) to the loudspeakers. Tube amps usually have a slower response time than transistor amps. When the tubes are pushed hard at high volumes they draw lots of current and the power circuit cannot to deliver enough current fast enough. Your amp starts to struggle and has reached its limit of maximum linear operation. Surprisingly for Leo Fender this was described as a sweet and forgiving character, a small delay in tone, aka compression and sag. You’ll notice that your amp adds sustain to your notes. A hard string attack will jump sweet, warm and soft out of your speakers, and your note will hold longer.
Sweet Spot
An amp’s ”sweet spot” is by most players characterized as the volume level where it starts breaking up and sounds sweet. In the classic Fender blackface amps this is caused mostly by power tube distortion while the preamp section is relatively clean. In most amp circuit designs with no master volume, the power amp section will start to break up before the preamp section. If not, you won’t be able to utilize the full potential of the power amp section. There are several tricks decribed on this web site how to adjust the breakup level for the preamp and power amp section.
On the bigger amps, we like to boost the preamp section so that it breaks up right where, or just slightly after, the power amp breaks up. This results in a fatter tone. On the smaller amps, we usually like to increase the clean headroom of the power amp section.
Signal distortion
In signal theory distortion is defined as a change of amplitude, frequency or phase. How can we relate this to tone, or even a guitar amp? A good tube amp is often described with the terms sag, compression and harmonic frequencies. These are just different words for distortion. Tubes, transformers, capacitors, resistors and speakers contribute in shaping a distorted tone. When you think you’re tone is clean, i.e. a Twin Reverb set at volume=4, there is a lot of distortion coming to play. If you plug your guitar into a 400W Ampeg bass amp, you’ll experience what the term clean means. Distortion is for many tube amp guys considered a good thing since it makes the tone thicker, fuller and with more sustain. This is not desirable for all instruments.
Let’s study the circuit design of the Princeton Reverb and walk through the logical stages from where the guitar signal enters the amp to where it reaches the speakers. The other fender blackface/silverface amps works pretty similar. All the stages who are significantly contributing to distortion are written in italic.
- The guitar signal is first amplified through the V1 tube (first half of it). First gain stage. Will distort if signal level is very high (hot humbuckers, boost effect pedals).
- Signal enters the EQ stage with treble and bass pots. No amplification, just filtering some frequencies out / leading current to ground.
- Signal enters the volume potmeter. If volume is set low, much of the signal is lead to ground and lost. Volume pot is not amplifying anything, just letting more current through.
- Signal enters the V1 tube (second half of it) and is amplified. Second gain stage. Will distort if signal level at this point is high, as a result of all previous signal processing to the original input signal. The cathode caps and resitors in preamp tube circtuits will add sag and compression if tube is pushed hard. The cathode cap is also EQ’ing your signal, and you may tweak it to adjust bass levels.
- Signal splits into two paths; reverb path and main path.
- The signal in the reverb path is heavily amplified by the reverb driver tube V2 (both halfs) which drives the reverb tank like a loudspeaker. The reverb tank produces the reverb signal (noise) which is amplified by the reverb recovery tube V3 (first half). The reverb potmeter will regulate the amplified reverb signal. If reverb is set low most of the signal is lead to ground.
- The reverb noise signal and dry signal is merged together.
- Signal is amplified in yet a gain stage by the reverb recovery tube V3 (second half). Third gain stage. Cathode cap and resistor also here contributing to compression/sag and EQ.
- Signal enters the phase inverter tube V4 (second half) and is then affected by the tremolo who increases or decreases signal level (the tremolo uses tube V4 first half). Phase inverter will contribute to distortion.
- Signal enters power tubes V5 and V6 and is amplified and eventually distorted. If level is high enough tube distortion and power supply sag will drastically change the tone.
- Signal enters output transformer and then the speakers. Eventually distorted and sag’ed if signal level is high enough for OT and speakers.
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Thanks,I alway wondered how curcuit worked.
Hi .. amazing website .. thanks a lot for that .. i play Texas blues guitar style and search a amp to have this kind of tone .. i have a Hot rod deluxe Texas red limited fender amp .. i have an opportunity to buy a used but recent VIBROLUX REVERB . what do you think about this amp.. is the super reverb amp better to approach the TEXAS tone? thanks for answer
have a nice day
ALDO
Thanks for nice words. The hot rod deluxe is a killer amp for texas blues, in my opinion. One of the best circuit board amps Fender offer together with the Blues deluxe. The Vibolux custom is nice, but is known for hum and has a more brownface tone. I would either stick with the hot rod deluxe or move to a silverface/blackface deluxe reverb/vibrolux reverb/pro reverb/super reverb, which is point to point.
Hi,
I picked up a 1965 Dual Showman head that is in immaculate condition, except…someone replaced all the original blue tone caps with orange drops. Everyone is telling me “send it back and get your money back.” Is this amp useless now? I’m told there’s nothing that’s going to make it sound like it should since those caps are gone, and I find that hard to believe. All the rest of it is original.
Thanks
Tom
This should definitly have been mentioned since it isn’t just regular maintenance (like the filter caps). If you’re a collector, it’s a sad story. If you’re a player, it really doesn’t matter. Install some tubes and speakers that you like, and turn it up! It’s going to sound awesome. The caps really don’t matter that much. Good strings, pickups, tubes and speakers are endlessly more important.
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Stollt eier av 78`(?) deluxe reverb
Roger Varhaugvik
really, really terrific site you guys-lots of info that i have picked up and scrounged bits and pieces over the years but never had it all specifically and comprehensivly laid out in front of me to absorb until finding your site-we play vintage blues (think early t-birds,t-bone walker,EARLY freddie and bb king-little walter, jimmy rodgers) my amps: ’64 super reverb pre cbs with original jensen c10r,s-2005 deluxe reverb reissue ltd edition cream and blues junior laquered tweed with new jensen c12n. couple questions-do the tube pull and 12ax7 pi substitute mods work the same on the reissue printed board deluxe reverb? and what would be your best speaker replacement recommendation for each amp?I am aware of the warehouse speakers but have not tried one yet-want to have authentic fender tone -just better and more of it-what do you think about the warehouse G12c in the blues junior? thanks in advance and again for a great site. Best, SE
Playing the vintage blues… I would love to play in such of band.
Yes, you can pull the V1 in the DRRI as well.
I am very careful when recommending speakers to others since we all like different things. But yes, IMHO the WGS g12c will definitly give you better and more of the fender tone in these 1×12″ amps.
I have a 2×12″ extension cabinet loaded with WGS g12c + Veteran 12″ which is just amazing for fender clean/sweet spot tones. Even twin reverb owners that are used to JBL d120f and Jensen C12n are blown away of the tone of this cabinet. Real fender tone, just a whole lot more.
WGS are good I have some in a 2×12 fender cab and I run a 100 watt Marshall plexi with the volume on 4 that is loud and they sound great the veteren 12 sounds like a celestion and they are made in the USA I would try and find something different then the orange drops there OK but http://www.sozo.com has some blue caps that might do you better
Great site. I am trying out your mods on my ’73 deluxe reverb, I like to play dirty and have to crank the amp up to get the tone I’m looking for and it’s a little loud for the basement band.
Are you planing on listing anything about Champs? You have to love a Fender Champ.
Thans for such nice qords. Maybe we will try out the Champ. The thing is, we’ve always wanted reverb in our amps. Amps without reverb have not stayed long in our gear basements. (Yes we are aware of that there are external reverb units…)
Hi!
I´d like to reamp a line sign thru my HRD. Is there any problem? Can this amp handle a line sign thru its main input? Should I use input #1 or #2?
hi sergio!
yes, i´m sure the hrdeluxe can handle a line-signal.
in order to keep the input from distorting too soon, i´d use the #2 input.
keep the volume LOW for a start
best
carsten